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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:35 pm

Te latter, indeed, largely describe the cultural gap between the two populations. Alba-
nian social organization was still archaic, based on the katund, an aggregate of 50-100 families. Te clan was then formed by several katund, four in the case of the Boua in 1423 in the Peloponnesus.

This quote remind us an another old description of Epirus tribes. Let us analyze it:

28. CHAONES. And after Illyrians, Chaonians. And Chaonia has good harbours: and the Chaonians live in villages. And the coastal voyage of Chaonia is a half of a day.

29. KORKYRA. And by Chaonia is an island, Korkyra, and a Hellenic city in it, having three harbours by the city: of these the one is enclosed. And Korkyra belongs also to Thesprotia more than Chaonia. And I return again onto the mainland, whence I turned aside.

30. THESPROTIANS. And after Chaonia are the Thesprotian nation. And these too live in villages: and this territory also has good harbours. Here is a harbour, which has name Elaia. Into this the harbour the river Acheron emits: and there is lake Acherousia, out of which the Acheron fiver flows. And the coastal voyage of Thesprotias is a half of a day.

31. KASSOPIANS. And after Thesprotia is the nation Kassopia. And these too live in villages. And these live beside as far as into the Anaktoric gulf. And the coastal voyage of the Kassopians’ territory is a half of a day; and the Anaktoric gulf is a little less from its mouth as far as into the inner end, 120 stades. And the mouth has width 4 stades.

32. MOLOTTIA(MOLOSSIA). And after Kassopia are the Molottian nation. And these live in villages: and they come down only a little here to the sea, and largely into the interior. And the coastal voyage of Molottian territory is of 40 stades.

33. AMBRAKIA. And after Molottia, Ambrakia, a Hellenic city: and this is distant from sea 80 stades. And there is also upon the sea a fort and an enclosed harbour. From here Hellas begins to be continuous as far as Peneios river and Homolion, a city of Magnesian territory, which is beside the river. And the coastal voyage of Ambrakia is of 120 stades.

The organization of social life in Epirus has been same since antiquity till Middle Ages. That's why Epirus was interchangeable name for Albania, Epirot for Albanian and Epirotic lingua for Albanian language.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:40 pm

http://books.google.com/books?id=TIYMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA856&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2Ue_7cF6CIIikYNe46R0T9WjWhtQ&ci=553%2C284%2C388%2C34&edge=0

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:43 pm




History of the Ottoman Empire: including a survey of the Greek Empire and ...‎ - Page 466
Samuel Jacob - History - 1854

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:46 pm

After Shkodra, Janina was the greatest Albanian city.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:49 pm


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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:50 pm

In 1878 Greece begged Europe for a recification of her northern boundary, but by the same assembly Janina was officially declared as belonging to Albania ans so was left to her.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:00 pm

Originally posted by kostas68

What Albania did exist in 1878
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Sure it existed! Albania was not political invention like...you know well like who...

Originally posted by kostas68

Who wrote this BS,Konstantin Chekrezi or Mehmet Konica Bey?
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You must be joking! This is not written by Konstantin Chekrezi or Mehmet Konica (which seem to be traumatic for you) but from Committee on Foreign Relations of USA. Check it up:
http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=assembly+Janina+was+officially+declared+as+belonging+to+Albania+and+so+was+left+to+her.&spell=1&oi=spell

Originally posted by kostas68

...this was the view of a clueless westerner about a country in which he never steped foot...
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Saying that Henry Brailsford has never steped foot in Balkan is even stupider than to say Janina had Greek majority. Henry Brailsford was one of the rare westerns who was so familiar with Balkan countries and Balkanik people.

In 1899 he moved to London, working for the Morning Leader and then the Daily News. He led a British relief mission to Macedonia in 1903, publishing a book, Macedonia. Its Races and Their Future, on his return.
In 1913-14 Brailsford was a member of the international commission sent by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to investigate the conduct of the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. He co-authored its report.
Considered to be an expert on the Balkans, he was selected to head of the British relief mission to Macedonia in 1903. On his return he wrote Macedonia (1906), a cultural and historical survey of the area. Brailsford also was active in the Friends of Russian Freedom, and organisation that raised funds to help those groups in Russia fighting for democracy.
Seeking adventure he enlisted in the Philhellenic Legion, a volunteer force fighting for the Greeks in their struggle with Turkey. His war experiences gave him the material for his only novel, The Broom of the War God (1898).

So, according you, one of the famous British experts and an ardent PhilHellen was...clueless!!!!!!!

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:11 pm

Originally posted by kostas68

the Greeks entered Janina, amid the acclamations of the inhabitants
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Janina's people suffered under Ottoman yoke...so they 'welcome' them as allies not as brothers...it is similar like French people welcome Allies during liberation of France or...or as later Kuwaitians did welcome U.S.A Yankee during liberation of Kuwait from Iraqi's troops.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:16 pm

As for a number of so-called Greeks of Janina they were just a result of Turkish-Greek alliance to assimilate Orthodox Albanians:

The Greeks, who dominated the education of Orthodox Albanians, joined the Turks in suppressing the Albanians' culture, especially Albanian-language education. In 1886 the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople threatened to excommunicate anyone found reading or writing Albanian, and priests taught that God would not understand prayers uttered in Albanian.

http://countrystudies.us/albania/21.htm
Raymond Zickel and Walter R. Iwaskiw, editors. Albania: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1994.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:31 pm

The number of inhabitants, Albanians, Turks, Greeks, and Jews, may be reckoned at about thirty-six or thirty-eight thousand, not including about ten thousand soldiers belonging to the Vizier.

The life of Ali Pacha, of Jannina: late vizier of Epirus, surnamed Aslan...by Alph. de Beauchamp, page 21, 1823

Alph. de Beauchamp listed Albanians as the first ethnic group of Janina (the major ethnic group). Then were Turks (the Second ethnic group after Albanians). After Turks, there were some Greeks and Jews (the minorities).

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:38 pm

In the fifteenth century, when Janina was attacked by the Turks, its fortresses
were defended by Albanians and not by Greeks.

Treaty of peace with Germany: Hearings before the Committee on ..., Part 1‎ - Page 1009 United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on Foreign Relations

Janina wasn't defended by Constandinopolic aristocracy but from formidable Epirots or Albanians.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:55 pm

In the main, the Greek element, more or less mixed with
Albanians and Kutzo-Wallachians, predominated in the southern valleys of 'black
Epirus', the most barren portion of the Skipetar land. In the rest of the country
the inhabitants are, almost to a man, Albanians;

The bird's-eye view of the world‎ - Page 214
Onésime Reclus, Malvina Antoinette Howe - Science - 1892

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:05 am

Originally posted by ChicagoGeorge
If you read the paragraph you would understand the author's point.
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I read it much earlier than you.
Obviously, you are the only one has problems with understanding author's point since you underline with red parts which fits to your interests, and for the rest you don't pay attention.

Originally posted by ChicagoGeorge

Or are you suggesting that the Albanians were thought off as the heirs of Alexander's Macedonians

I do not know since I am not historian...but what I can say certainly is that Albanians inherited from ancient Macedonia more things than any other people around, especially them who are fighting for its historical 'throne'.

Originally posted by ChicagoGeorge

That the people now called ALbanians have lived in the region (Illyricum) throughout the Roman period....
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So you're saying that medieval authors employed 'Macedonian' name for Albanians only for geographical reasons...Ptolemey the Geographer listed Albanians and their lands as part of Macedonia.

If so, can you say me who scholar has called Jews as 'Macedonians'? (since it is well known that Jews peopled Medieval Macedonia)

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:18 am

From the time of Ali Pasha of Tepelen, Jannina was one of the main
centers of Albanian political, economical and culutural life, especially for the
inhabitants os the vilayets of Manastir and Janina.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:27 am

The Crusades next left a sensible impression on this people, as their ports were constantly resorted to by the Frank chiefs, during at least a century and a half; and Durazzo, in particular, was the depot of the crusaders. In the beginning of the thirteenth century, when the oriental empire fell to pieces, on account of the occupation of Constantinople by the Franks, a principality of Albania was founded by an illegitimate son of one of the Comneni, named Michael Angelus,* and it existed for more than two centuries, under the title of the Despotate. Jannina was the capital of this state, and Albanopolis also became one of its principal towns.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm

The Christain inhabitants of southern Albania or Epirus are "Greeke" only in the
sense that the Roumanians and the Slavs were Greeks a few decades ago,

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:29 pm

Originally posted by Andrew

before choosing to sodomize a good thread like this...
Are you by any chance "murqal-gomar-ing"
your neighbours poor little donkey ?
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I would not be surprised if those words comes from a hooligan! Even worse, those words comes from a Moderator. Wake up dude! Here is a brief description how a moderator must doing:

The moderators (short singular form: "mod") are users (or employees) of the forum who are granted access to the posts and threads of all members for the purpose of moderating discussion (similar to arbitration) and also keeping the forum clean (neutralizing spam and spambots etc). Because they have access to all posts and threads in their area of responsibility, it is common for a friend of the site owner to be promoted to moderator for such a task. Moderators also answer users' concerns about the forum, general questions, as well as respond to specific complaints. They also can do anything to lend a helping hand to a user in need.
Essentially, it is the duty of the moderator to manage the day-to-day affairs of a forum or board as it applies to the stream of user contributions and interactions. The relative effectiveness of this user management directly impacts the quality of a forum in general, its appeal, and its usefulness as a community of interrelated users.

Nowhere is said that Moderators should insulting others, using dirty speech. Ok...that's your problem. As I said before, I won't answer to them who insulting me.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:42 pm

Originally posted by kostas68
What?Greeks in Korytza and Avlona?That's impossible!How come that,since even Janina was an entirely Albanian city,"the capital of Albania"??
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Claiming Korça as Greek is the greatest threat for civilized world! The greatest threats for humankind are neither terrorism nor wars, but your endless ignorance.

Even P.Aravantinos in his 'Chronographia test Epeirou' Athens 1856 said that Albanians made up the majority of population in Epirus. According to his account, in Vilayet of Yannina were 47.066 Albanian families (60%) and 31,305 'Greek' families (40%). How's your math? Who were the majority of Epirus?

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