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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:57 pm


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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:44 pm

Originally posted by kostas68
The double-headed eagle has nothing to do with Pelasgians,Illyrians,
Thracians,or with Epirotes and other ancient Greek tribes.The only ancient people that used it were the Hittite in Asia Minor from 20th till 13th BC centuries.It was first introduced in modern time by the Byzantines,because the two heads of the eagle represented the dual sovereignty of the Emperor (secular and religious) and/or dominance of the Byzantine Emperors over both East and West.It was also used by the Holy Roman Empire in 10th AD century Have you any evidence that Illyrians,Pelasgians,Thracians e.t.c used the double headed eagle or are you inventing things out of nothing,as usually?

Making as entry Wikipedia's articles speaks for your great intelligence Smile Now, I would like to see if you will change mind after presenting of those evidences:


In December 289, Demetrius and Pyrrhus renewed their alliance, but the Epirote was the moral victor. The defeat in Aetolia and the ensuing invasion had been heavy blows for Macedonian prestige. After all, since the days of king Philip II, its armies had almost never been defeated. From now on, Pyrrhus was often called "the eagle", a surname that expresses the admiration felt by many people, who were reminded of that other young warrior, Alexander the Great.

http://www.livius.org/ps-pz/pyrrhus/pyrrhus02.html

The Illyrian south was the State of Epiros, first a monarchical federation of Illyrian tribes, with Pyrrhos as the most important king (297 – 272 b.c.). The fact that his soldiers called him „eagle“ as a sign of respect and admiration shows that the Eagle, this complex symbol with deep meaning for the today Albanians, is neither only an invention of the Albanian Renaissance of the 19th century nor just the symbol of the national hero Skënderbeg, who fought bravely the Osman invaders. It remounts at least to Illyrian times and is therefore a symbol of long continuity.
(http://www.shqiponja.de/english/albania/illyrians.htm)





After the Latin conquest of Constantinople in 1204, the Byzantine double-headed eagle was used by the successor states of Epirus and Nicaea.

François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville makes it known that two-head eagle decorated Ali's palace:

"Proceeding northwestward from Castritza, the traveller enters Janina, which covers the slope and the base of rising grounds on the western border of the lake. Part of the ground on which the lower quarters are built, advances into the lake, terminating in a double head, like the eagle of Austria, on which are constructed Aly's palace of the lake and two mosques".
http://books.google.com/books?id=zz4QAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA69&dq=double+eagle+epirus+dodona&cd=2#v=onepage&q=eagle&f=false




The eagle in the imagination of Albanians has been remain as a cult. There are many legends related to the eagles in Albania.

http://books.google.com/books?id=alNsb0fpX9IC&pg=PA20&dq=illyrians+eagle&lr=&cd=5#v=onepage&q=illyrians%20eagle&f=false

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:53 pm

I have no doubt that the first documentation of double-head eagle belonged to the Hittites, as archeological findings provided it. But:

Albanians (as one of innumerous Illyrian tribes) were named after their city state Albanopolis near a mountain called Alp 'mountain', Hittite alpa 'white'. The most spectacular name belonged to Dardanus (founder of Troy) because it is related to the myth of the Great Flood (which allegedly took place after the last ice age) hence it should be one of the oldest tribal names among Illyrians who like Greeks, Celts and Romans were obsessed with their divine ancestry. The origin of gods and myths of creation were not pure fantasy but instruments for survival. Ancient people were divided into two categories - those who were condemned to be slaves and those who were born to rule. Those people who failed to come up with a convincing divine lineage were often condemned to be slain, mutilated and exterminated. There was no mercy for godless ancestors. That is why Greeks embraced Hellen, Illyrians adored Hyllus and Romans worshiped Romulus. People even altered the myths, changed the names, ignored their real ancestors and abandoned inherited names to adopt new idols which were more fashionable at that time. It seems that the name Albania 'white' was not attractive enough to Albanians since it didn't carry any significant weight. Actually the descendants of Illyrians preferred another name - the imperial double headed eagle. Romans had always employed the single head eagle as their military ensign or

standard. When Illyrian generals got elevated to the imperial throne they introduced the Hittite double headed eagle they had inherited from their Anatolian ancestors. (There is still a mountainous region in Albania called Hoti similar to ancient HATTI - the capital of Hittites.) Hittites together with Persians probably borrowed the symbol of double headed eagle from an older civilization - Sumerian. Here there is the image of the double headed eagle at Persepolis - capital of the ancient Persian Empire. The final proof that Illyrians had employed the double headed eagle before they introduced that symbol to Roman standards exists in the city of Sirkap (Pakistan). Along the main street of Sirkap, the ancient city, sits the Double-Headed Eagle Shrine. Its original name is lost, but is now referred to as the double-Headed Eagle Shrine because of the bird bas-relief that adorns the arch (images two and three). The Double-Headed Eagle Shrine was built by Macedonian, Greek and Illyrian soldiers. Alexander the Great employed Illyrian and Greek troops in his campaign to India. The eagle was considered to be the sacred bird of Jupiter - the sky god among Indo Europeans.

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:hNeTbvyX-BIJ:www.scribd.com/doc/19470489/When-King-Become-GodIllyrian+illyrian+symbols+eagle&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:01 pm

Furthermore, our ethnonym is 'Shqiptar' (Skipetar' or Skypetar) relating without question with the name of eagle, because the corresponding word for 'eagle' in Albanian is 'Shqipe' ose 'Shqiponje'. The Albanologist Maximilian Lambertz (1882–1963) preferred a connection with the Albanian shqipe or shqiponjë ("eagle"), which is the symbol of Albania.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:04 pm

Symbolism. The national and ethnic symbol of the Albanians is the eagle, which was used in that capacity in the earliest records. The eagle appears in a stone carving dating from 1190, the time of the so-called first Albanian principality, known as Arbanon, and was used as a heraldic symbol by a number of ruling families in Albania in the late Middle Ages, including the Castriotta (Kastrioti), the Muzakaj (Myzeqe), and the Dukagjini. A black double-headed eagle also was placed by the national hero Scanderbeg on his flag and seal. This form of the eagle, deriving from the banner of the Byzantine Empire, has been preserved as an ethnic symbol by the Arberesh of southern Italy. In the late nineteenth century, the double-headed eagle was taken up by the nationalist movement as a symbol of resistance to the Ottoman Empire and was used on the banners of freedom fighters seeking autonomy and independence. The current flag, bearing this black double-headed eagle on a red background, was officially raised on 28 November, 1912 to mark the declaration of Albanian independence in Vlorë and has been used since that time by the Republic of Albania and by Albanians everywhere as the national symbol.

In Albanian oral literature and folklore, the eagle appears as a symbol of freedom and heroism, and Albanians often refer to themselves as the "Sons of the Eagle." The popularity of the eagle among Albanians derives from the similarity between the words shqipe (eagle) and the terms for the Albanian language, an Albanian person, and Albania.

Read more: Culture of Albania - traditional, history, people, traditions, women, beliefs, food, customs, family, social, marriage, men, life, wedding, tribe, population, religion, History and ethnic relations http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:W-vVRJ7u1goJ:www.everyculture.com/A-Bo/Albania.html+he+national+and+ethnic+symbol+of+the+Albanians+is+the+eagle,+which+was+used&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk#ixzz0bOQZO5Q2

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:15 pm



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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:33 pm


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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:35 pm

In Byzantium always the two-headed eagle as a heritage from the timei of
Alexander, the Great, had been an imperial symbol.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:52 pm

Originally posted by chicagogeorge

How fitting, an Albanan propagandist quoting a pre-WWII Greek Propaganda minister appointed by a dictator!
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You dare to call me a propagandist? And what are you then? Nothing else, but a typical propagandist. Instead of giving scientific answer for the proposed etymology, you're engaged with unimportant things. Typical childish!
Don't gibberish about the names of authors!

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:56 pm

Originally posted by chcagogeorge

Are you that much of a monkey brain?
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What is mostly lacking at Greek adolescents of Diaspora is human behavior and dictionary of Conduct.

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MesazhTitulli: Re: Pergjigjjje ne tema historike   Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:15 pm

Look! The Polish people have the eagle as their symbol! Maybe they are descendants of Pyrros!
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Let aside Polish people! The eagle is a very common symbol amongst Albanians (read my previous post because I won't repeat myself) who inhabit the same lands as old Epirots.

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